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SUPER7X's avatar

Parts of your story resonate with me deeply—I remember that exact same busywork feeling in 1st grade; I could have been given much higher-level work then on all fronts—but I also clearly had a different experience too. In 3rd grade I was moved to an advanced program, Rapid Learner, and while I still could've been pushed much harder in Math, I think I was much more satisfied in the other subjects, and I wasn't overworked, to my memory. But then in 6th grade, I entered International Baccalaureate, and frankly, it was awful. Yes, it was higher level material, but they gave a crushing amount of homework, to a stupid degree. I hold no doubts that it was deeply unhealthy, both in the sitting required and in the sleep deprivation caused. I slept <4 hours/night 5 days/week for 6+ years (summers excluded). It was not good! And Math. Was. Still. Easy! (Even tho I was in the 1-year-ahead class.) Of course, the unhealthiness of it all wasn't entirely IB's fault. Some % of it was my fault for being a perfectionist nerd and some % goes to my parents for not forcibly sanding off those perfectionist edges and otherwize allowing it, but the majority definitely lies with the schools. You didn't need to do what I did to pass, but to get perfect straight As (as I did for all 7 years)? Most if not all of the top students were not sleeping well. As implied, 12th grade was different tho. Because of a combination of us getting trained for so many years and them simply giving us less work, 12th grade *was* easier. Significantly less sleepless nights (tho still some) and more fun. Also, Math finally got hard! By my choice, I chose Further Level—the only one in my class to do so—and struggled! Now, much of that struggle was because that class at my school was mostly self-taught, and I just, y'know, didn't self-teach, but that isn't the point! Also, Trace, you'll love to hear that Further Level, formally Further Mathematics Higher Level, was discontinued that very year because so few people took it! (Only ~300 people worldwide each year to my understanding.) Ahaha. I was in the last batch.

Anyway, all of the above is to say: I absolutely agree that students need to be and should be challenged, but the predominant portion of that challenge should not simply come from the greatness of the time required.

Also, seperately, how do you think that your educational excellence meshes with libertarian/rightist school choice? Are they perfectly compatible? Complementary even? (If people get to choose their schools, then they can choose the excellent ones.) Obviously you want excellence from non-religious private, religious private, charter public, non-charter public, and all else, but private schools are easier to effect, right? Or just small schools (which tend to be private)? Curious about your thoughts.

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Lila Krishna's avatar

As a "smart kid" who felt bored, and married someone similar, and have a preschooler who seems kinda smart, I think the problem has another dimension.

Little kids don't get rewarded for doing things.

My early precociousness was because I wanted to be grownup but wasn't allowed to do that in any form other than reading books. When I see the little geniuses my friends are raising, I see high energy sensitive kids who aren't allowed to do much around the house autonomously other than read books and solve puzzles. I see them be behind socially and spatially and they just double down on books early on.

And there's no downside to this at first. You're ahead on cognitive milestones and your parents get bragging rights, and you also sit still a lot making it a lot less work for your parents.

I think the hatred for busy work isn't a virtue. In hindsight it feels like the problem with it is it doesn't give you dopamine hits of feeling smart.

Anyway. I do still see what you bring up as a real problem - if a kid is ahead, they aren't allowed other ways to challenge themselves, and there are many ways to ensure they stay engaged in school and don't get into the habit of zoning out and learn how to work and accomplish hard things long-term (something i struggle with to this day). The problem is schools don't value them, mostly because the "science" doesn't account for these children. An underrated reason i think this is an issue is because the average IQ of teachers is getting lower and lower and they can't empathize with smart kids anymore.

I wish you luck, and look forward to see what you bring up. I think early childhood isn't looked into deeply enough to figure out what factors lead to smarts and how these things pan out long term.

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